WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for January 19, 2010 Conference Call

Call Info

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Alternate: 770-615-1247
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Call Time: 1600 UTC

Attendees

PMC Members

• David Williams: Y
• Naci Dai: N
• Raghunathan Srinivasan: Y
• Neil Hauge: Y
• Tim deBoer: Y
• Kaloyan Raev: Y

Announcements and General Business

• EclipseCon
  • Congratulations! (and thanks)
    • 1233 WTP Uncovered - All you need to know about building applications with WTP
    • 1111 Building Server-Side Eclipse based web applications
    • 1226 Java EE 6 application development, OSGi and Eclipse users
    • 1254 OSGi Enterprise for Java EE Developers
    • 1290 Apache Aries: Enterprise OSGi in Action
    • 1333 The state of the art in Spring and Grails developer tooling
    • 1352 JPA 2.0 and Dali: Developing for Java EE 6
    • 1316 Using JPA in OSGi
    • 1372 Building JSF 2.0 Web Application with the JSF Tools Project
    • 1392 OSGi & Java EE in GlassFish
    • 1125 Gemini - Helping Shape the Future of Enterprise Java
    • 1088 OSamI Tools for OSGi Application Developers
    • 1109 Teaching XSL Tools New Tricks
    • 1163 XQDT - XQuery Getting Momentum in Eclipse
    • 1413 Down the Rabbit Hole: A Single Character in the XML Editor
    • 1419 Binding EMF object to existing data models
    • 1293 Developing Eclipse Plug-ins with JavaScript
    • 1295 JavaScript Debugged
    • 1440 Inside/Outside: Editor Templates and WTP\'s Snippets View
  • Regrets not all good proposals could be accepted
    • 1075 Java EE 6 development with Eclipse and GlassFish
    • 1112 Developing Multi-Tenant SaaS Applications
    • 1194 Developing and running web-apps in OSGi with Jetty
    • 1216 Click out your JPA model
    • 1238 dm Server 2.0
    • 1288 Developing Equinox OSGi Applications with EclipseLink---Even Better in Helios!
    • 1314 JPA with EclipseLink for more than just Java
    • 1353 Migrating from JPA 1.0 to 2.0 with Dali
    • 1361 Modular Web Application Development with OSGi
    • 1396 Some Assembly Required
    • 1423 Solving ALL your Persistence Needs with EclipseLink
    • 1434 A new way of creating web services from database resources using EclipseLink DBWS
    • 1460 Developing Simple OpenJPA applications in Eclipse
• New logo?

  1/12/2010 Naci volunteered that he'd consider, and propose a plan. For at least web page WTP logo (perhaps Java EE IDE Intro page too?).

• TODO: create "works with" CQs (all done!)

  See "3rd party" section of last year's IP Log for areas we need to cover:

  • Application Servers
  • Java Persistence Frameworks
  • JSF Runtimes and Component Libraries
  • Axis2 Runtimes
  • XDoclet
  • ICU: let's skip this one (unless we hear otherwise) since we just use what's in the platform. I don't think anyone else lists it. Should be an "exempt pre-req" for everyone. (though technically, even exempt pre-req's should be listed).

  For reference, see the Board Resolution.

  Do these show up properly in Auto IP Logs?

  • Server Tools
  • Webservices
  • JSF
  • EJB Tools
  • Dali
• Let's Review some WTP and Eclipse principles of open source development and governance.

  For reference, please re-read the Eclipse Standard Charter. In particular, read the section titled "The Development Process". I'd like to make sure we all have the same understanding of that section? Here's mine:

  • The status quo is the rule. Change is the exception.
  • Committers of a sub-project must all agree to change code base. (Isn't this the fundamental part of Eclispe governance?)
  • PMC defines the process. Which we haven't done!?

  Noted from meeting: It was agreed to (continue to) discuss this more later.

• Let's establish "mixed version project interoperability requirement"

  Noted from meeting: It was agreed to (continue to) discuss this more later.

  For background, see bug 298906 where the co-existence requirement is broken. The 2.0 plan requirement where the co-existence requirement was first expressed. The 3.0 plan had some upgrade path requirements, apparently taken directly from that year's Requirements Council's Theames and Priorities. We left blank for 3.1 plan, and (so far) for 3.2 plan. See also the Platform's Plan statement of "no gaurentee", but in reality (historically, for many years) they do support, as described per their latest release's readme file.

• Discuss W4 incubator project.
• New year resolutions?

  There is a need, and interest!, to discuss high level, big picture aspects of the WTP project. Some possible items are listed below. Remember, to actually do anything, will require someone to volunteer to do the work.

  • API, stability
  • scope? osgi spec's?
  • more "press"? as it is popular
  • e4? Can we sign up for "be compatible with e4 in 2011"
  • Continuous Improvement Notes

  We'll have next agenda too.

Handy Links from past meetings

References

• Continuous Improvement Notes
• EclipseCon 2010
• FYI ... Eclipse Foundation has a relatively new "enterprise page".
• WTP 3.2 Plans

Other projects to watch:

• WTP @ GSoC 2009. There are two project accepted:
  • Index search for Java EE metadata. See bug 233505
  • Embed OpenEJB in J2EE Preview server adapter. See bug 265952
• SCA Tools
• EMFT Texo project proposal
• Maven Integration

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Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.